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Takeshi Kaneshiro nomination in Taiwanese film awards
mikomiДата: Вторник, 17.02.2009, 22:26 | Сообщение # 16
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Ognyana, as I said in the post itself I do not say it is fresh news. But anyways I agree that TK showed him self a honorful man and juries....yep - but it is even more - they still have this idea that he is not Chinese? Or whatever? If an american award or Russian award would be given to anyone not Russian or American but for making a lot into cinematography of the country would it be something wrong?


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OgnyanaДата: Среда, 18.02.2009, 07:19 | Сообщение # 17
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As far as I understood from the newspaper articles, the problem is that this award is Taiwanese (and not Chinese). Only citizens of Taiwan are eligible for the award. As far as I understood, though TK was born in Taiwan and his nationality is Taiwanese, he holds Japanese citizenship. So formally they had some reason for disqualifying him. But honestly speaking, I think it just a pretext for the disqualification, no more. How you can say that a man born of a Taiwanese mother is not Taiwanese is beyond my understanding. Frankly speaking, I must be an ignoramus, but TK seems to be the ONLY Taiwanese actor whose name is world-famous. And bingo - out he goes! As I said, an incomprehensible and unfair decision.

Chinese is not absolutely the same as Taiwanese, at least continental China has always claimed Taiwan as part of its territory, and the USA and China are still the two major powers that brawl over Taiwan, China wanting it back, the USA supporting its independence.
If you are interested in a concise history of Taiwan to see the roots of Cinese-Taiwanese tension, consult the corresponding Wiki page.

What worries me more is that he is not among the nominees for the upcoming 28th Hong Kong Film Award, which seems to be more geographically open-minded. I wonder, is it because it's rumoured he's been at difference with John Woo over how to interpret the part of Zhuge Liang?

Once again, I must be an ill-informed person, but imdb.com lists NO awards for TK AT ALL. I believe that scores of worse actors keep receiving awards, but not he. WHY?

Unfortunately, our opinion does not count anywhere. And I think that to do him justice, he's not just a nice face on the screen (an eye-candy, as the film reviews say), he's much more. He's a talented actor because he's different in all the parts he plays, he has a presence, he is a personality on the screen. Maybe, he's not Dustin Hoffman in 'Rainman', but has anybody offered him anything as deep and as difficult? Anyway, we remember most films he was in THANKS to HIS acting, thanks to what he made of his characters.

I hope he will remain himself, 'his own man', won't be discouraged (the world is on the whole an unfair place), and will keep doing what he's doing now. Let him shrug it off, he's one of the best actors now living.


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SamanosukeДата: Среда, 18.02.2009, 07:44 | Сообщение # 18
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He's been nominated indirectly (for the movies he's been in) but he hasn't been personally nominated for anything as of yet.
 
OgnyanaДата: Среда, 18.02.2009, 08:09 | Сообщение # 19
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That's true. I think it's high time he were nominated personally.

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mikomiДата: Среда, 18.02.2009, 09:57 | Сообщение # 20
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Quote (Ognyana)
Once again, I must be an ill-informed person, but imdb.com lists NO awards for TK AT ALL. I believe that scores of worse actors keep receiving awards, but not he. WHY?

imdb tells only of those awards that had already been given to a person - if it is planned only they do not expose that information. It is better to watch such information of tha official sites of the festivals and wards.



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OgnyanaДата: Четверг, 19.02.2009, 06:45 | Сообщение # 21
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Oh, mikomi, I know that imdb registers only the awards received. But do you really think that the Taiwan Film Award (Golden Horse) or the upcoming 28th Hong Kong Film Award are the only awards that he should have received or should receive? Have you ever given a thought to the fact that up till now he hasn't got a single award? Is it fair in your opinion?

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mikomiДата: Четверг, 19.02.2009, 11:15 | Сообщение # 22
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Ognyana, don't be agressive here. I think that was the reason why I did not want to show this news article here anyways. But as far as I have decides so I have to discuss it. As I sai before I do not support the decision. I think of it as..... well that would not be very nice to show what I think of it.
but.
I do not think that my opinion ir radically different from yours or ever different at all.
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Have you ever given a thought to the fact that up till now he hasn't got a single award? Is it fair in your opinion?

yes! I am perceived it is totally unfair. And I know I should say what I have said on the other forum here too 'cause in this case that would be something like - you are chasing my thought. I think that TK is somehow unfairly involved into the sort of everlasting wrongful relations between Chinese and Japanese. more - he is half japanese and half chinese. more. most of the awards say they give nominations to those directors, films and actors who may not been chinese but made grate impact on the culture and cinematography of China but for some reasons Takeshi is out of the game. And yes - I am sure that is unfair. THat is why I am pissed off. More - I think that TK should have been awarded for many of his roles. But. I know whole buch of examples when outstandingly good (the best of the kind) actors were not awarded 'cause the jury never counted them in or even if counted never decided to award them at all 'cause there was always someone else. These unfair things are often on such awards festivals. So I still have hope for TK. Becides I know some examples when good actors or directors were only awarded whether before they passed away or after. That is unfair. I hope that would not happen to TK. I'd rather said it would have been better if he had not been nominated at anything at all than this. Well, the only think I can think of not (comforting myself) is that TK was in the nominies list even though he was disqualified. That means that for some reason someone thought that his nominie can work but all the others thought the same for the first and then something (political, national, whatsoever...no matter what but) happened and they got afraid to give him nominie.
what do you think of it?
were the juries afraid?



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OgnyanaДата: Четверг, 19.02.2009, 14:27 | Сообщение # 23
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Though I never meant to be aggressive, I feel I should apologize. So - I'm very sorry.

I can't say anything about the motives of the jury for disqualifying him, but I strongly feel it's unfair. If the citizenship of PRC or Hong Kong is no obstacle, then why citizenship of Japan is? I see this decision as irksome, unpleasant and humiliating. Let it lie on their conscience.


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mikomiДата: Четверг, 19.02.2009, 14:53 | Сообщение # 24
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Ognyana, no, that is me who should ask for apologize. I am just too emotional. Sorry. I never meant to harm your feelings)))
about that article and the disqualification - yes. That is absolutely true. and my point is the same - they are too into something that rings no bell with art.



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